faraway wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:33 pm
Thanks for feedback Nonie!
When it comes to pillows and other sleeping aids, what do you think of this product? https://www.thesyla.com
It appears that works like Frownies
only without the tape? While I have always considered Frownies to be more like a prop that works only while it is in place but then you take it away and "PLOP!" everything falls, I can see how they (or anything that works like them) can be beneficial to people who seem to have good facial posture while awake and able to control their facial expressions, but who seem to lose that good form when they sleep and have no control on expressions they make. Using them would ensure that the progress you are making with the good habits you are cultivating during the day are not undone by the unconscious slipping back to old habits that may happen when you're asleep. And if this product can help with sleep lines, then that's another bonus. So I don't see any harm in giving it a shot. I don't think this product by itself would solve your problem, but I do think it would be a good complement to face exercises and your conscious efforts to gain good facial posture.
faraway wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:33 pm
I think in my case that my poor facial posture not only have to do with weak muscles but the fact that I for some reason seem to have stored fat and/or fluids in the areas above my eyebrows. The rest of my body is very lean. Question is if this puffiness is some kind of fat storage and if so, why is it there? And most important, is it possible to get rid of it without cosmetic surgery? Will facial exercises be enough?
First of all, I don't know why people think losing facial fat is a good thing. Vanity makes people get fat taken out of their faces because they want to look like someone they admire who has a thinner face than they. Then a few years later they are paying for fat or artificial fillers to be injected back because they quickly realize that without that fat they look so much older.
Source: https://www.slideshare.net/daulatramdha ... g-face-ppt
I don't think you have fat in your forehead. Your forehead looks to me like the typical forehead of someone who gets for Botox injections to relax strong muscles that are in constant semi-contraction. Botox does not drain excess fluid or reduce fat but just paralyzes muscles so they lose the ability to stay in contraction. Since the lymphatic drainage massage is supposed to mimic what your lymph vessels normally do, you have nothing to lose by doing it, so I don't see why not. But I don't think it alone will fix your problem. I really believe that what will fix your problem is toning the other muscles of your face which are not in as great a shape as your forehead muscles, and regularly massaging your forehead muscles to encourage their relaxation. Because this didn't happen overnight, you have to be realistic and understand that massage may appear to show short-lived results right after you finish a massage; that is because you may still be tensing those muscles subconsciously, plus they have had years of training to get that way. But as your other muscles get stronger from exercise, then you will find the massage results appear to last longer because the newly strengthened muscles will now be pulling harder against the strong procerus muscle than when you first started, and thus forcing them to flatten some and hence start to smooth out your forehead..
Here are some results from face exercises on that area between the eyebrows that I hope will encourage you:
This is Robert's face before and then after two years of face exercises and you can see his forehead smoothed out, but he was doing a full program which is why I believe he got good results as all the muscles of his face attained good toned and worked together to lift and smooth his face out, making him look like the son of his former self:
This is Andrea's forehead before and then after 10 months of face exercises--notice how deep the crease was initially but it's smoothed out some and not as noticeable:
This is Karen's forehead before when she was beginning to get those dreadfull "11's" between her eyebrows and then after one year of face exercises where there is no hint that she was ever about to get a crease between her eyebrows:
This is Pat before and then five weeks after face exercises when there is no sign of any crease between her eyebrows:
This is Elaine Bartlett (Faceworks UK Founder) before and then 4 weeks after face exercises. Her 11's were just starting to show but were completely erased with face exercises
Not sure what the time frame is for the following images but they are more examples of how face exercises can improve your problem area:
The 11's completely ironed out after face exercises:
The procerus muscle was so strong that it shows the kind of definition you see in athletes with very toned abs where there appears to be gaps between the "packs" but with exercise that muscles softened and does not look as hard as before:
This is Kay before and after. Her 11's creases were deep in the before photo creating sharp defined lines but in the after photo, the creases have been slowly erased and the skin flattened creating a smoothness she didn't have before:
So you are on the right track combining massage and exercise. But most importantly, relax! Worrying about it now when you are now armed with tools to do something about it or constantly checking to see if there is any improvement are sure recipes for (1) stress, which will work against your efforts; and for (2) disappointment ("a watched pot never boils"). So be positive and trust that if others found success without having to succumb to a cosmetic surgeon's help, then you too can and will.